"When I got out of the military I was very despondent. There was a lot of expectation and a lot of pressure to choose a vocation. ‘When are you going to make something os yourself?’ was the phrase my parents used. But I had no direction, and no mentor. I wanted to go into forestry, but I was told there was no future in that. I didn’t know what to do, so I prayed and got an answer. I drove out to the University of Michigan and parked and went in and told the secretary I wanted to see the Dean about getting into the forestry program. She said ‘well I don’t know,’ but went in and came back out and said ‘He’ll see you in five minutes.’ So I met with him and he said, ‘I’ll see you in the fall.’ And that was it. My life career was in forestry."